VAG KKL cable connections

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Re: VAG KKL cable connections

Post by sanscorp » 12 Nov 2015, 09:52

Sorry for busting this topic.
But is it possible to make the same modification to an obdII (ELM327) cable?

I havn't even tried it, but MES still asks for the green adapter for climate controle ecu for example.

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Re: VAG KKL cable connections

Post by alfa156sarajevo » 14 Nov 2015, 10:28

sanscorp wrote:Sorry for busting this topic.
But is it possible to make the same modification to an obdII (ELM327) cable?

I havn't even tried it, but MES still asks for the green adapter for climate controle ecu for example.
Yes you can put switches on your ELM on pins for ABS, steering, XENON, climate...
Just do not put on pin 3 (airbag). That is not a good combination...
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Re: VAG KKL cable connections

Post by luka78 » 27 Apr 2016, 12:25

Hi...

Is the right interface for Fiat Bravo 2008, 1.9, 110kw with which engine, climate, airbags, etc. as well as monitor the parameters and erase mistakes can work? Is there something similar in Bluetooth version?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-VAG-KKL-409 ... 86&vxp=mtr

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Re: VAG KKL cable connections

Post by sejmon » 09 Sep 2016, 14:34

luiz.melges wrote:
luiz.melges wrote:Hi prime.4alpha:

Same interface, same Multiecuscan´s version, same cables/adapters AND THE SAME PROBLEM. I´ve tried a lot of configurations, parameters and combinations, but always get the same response on the test interface:

"VagCom/KKL

Testing latency with 200 bytes of data...
The operation has timed out ".

Remarks:
- VAG KKL plugged and identified in my the laptop as "USB-SERIAL CH340 (COM3)"
- The male 3 pin Cable adapter plugged in the car´s female diagnostic plug, the red cable connected to positive and the black one connected to negative in the car´s battery.
- The ignition is on and the dashboard lights are on.
- The car is a Marea 2.0 20v petrol, with Bosch Motronic 10.2.4 ECU.

I´ve tried to access the VAG KKL using Hyperterminal and Putty, but when the session opens, i can´t type any AT command to test the interface.

Help me, please
Problem solved !!

My 3 pin adapter connects chassis ground (battery negative) to pin 5 of female OBDC conector, but KKL Vag-com needs this connection to pin 4 (5 is idle). So, I made the bridge like follows:
DSC01664.JPG
DSC01665.JPG
The other side of the board:
DSC01666.JPG
Now, everything is working fine. So, if you must use this combination of cable adapter/KKL Vag-com interface be carefull about this pinnage issue.


do i need to do same like above mentioned...
my car is alfa 159/2011/2.0/100kw

when i tried to connect to ecu i get message that i need elm237 adapter....
this is my obd cable vag kkl...red dot is pin 4 and 5
Image

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Re: VAG KKL cable connections

Post by Alfaeddy » 11 Sep 2016, 19:40

sejmon wrote:
luiz.melges wrote:
luiz.melges wrote:Hi prime.4alpha:

Same interface, same Multiecuscan´s version, same cables/adapters AND THE SAME PROBLEM. I´ve tried a lot of configurations, parameters and combinations, but always get the same response on the test interface:

"VagCom/KKL

Testing latency with 200 bytes of data...
The operation has timed out ".

Remarks:
- VAG KKL plugged and identified in my the laptop as "USB-SERIAL CH340 (COM3)"
- The male 3 pin Cable adapter plugged in the car´s female diagnostic plug, the red cable connected to positive and the black one connected to negative in the car´s battery.
- The ignition is on and the dashboard lights are on.
- The car is a Marea 2.0 20v petrol, with Bosch Motronic 10.2.4 ECU.

I´ve tried to access the VAG KKL using Hyperterminal and Putty, but when the session opens, i can´t type any AT command to test the interface.

Help me, please
Problem solved !!

My 3 pin adapter connects chassis ground (battery negative) to pin 5 of female OBDC conector, but KKL Vag-com needs this connection to pin 4 (5 is idle). So, I made the bridge like follows:
DSC01664.JPG
DSC01665.JPG
The other side of the board:
DSC01666.JPG
Now, everything is working fine. So, if you must use this combination of cable adapter/KKL Vag-com interface be carefull about this pinnage issue.


do i need to do same like above mentioned...
my car is alfa 159/2011/2.0/100kw

when i tried to connect to ecu i get message that i need elm237 adapter....
this is my obd cable vag kkl...red dot is pin 4 and 5
Image


Hello

And what is your question?

By KKL interface you can create your Alfa without modifiktation connect to the engine ECU


For all other controllers you need an ELM interface and corresponding adapter cable

Greeting Eddy

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Re: VAG KKL cable connections

Post by sejmon » 12 Sep 2016, 08:28

what is my question?
do i need to do same like above mentioned...
got answer from other site.

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Re: VAG KKL cable connections

Post by sanscorp » 05 Jan 2017, 01:31

Guys, did i mess up bigtime by connecting a modified (none switchable) kkl cable to a vw golf?

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Re: VAG KKL cable connections

Post by s130 » 05 Jan 2017, 16:23

By this I guess you mean where Pin 7 is connected to the other pins.

I wouldn't know for sure. The other OBDII pins support different connection protocols. In Fiat/Alfa cases Fiat only use the K-Lines and the CAN lines. The others seemed to get used for convenience connection but still use K-Line hence the mods to connect Pin 7 to others.

What/how VW have done I do not know.

Do you have a problem having done this.

For reference the OBDII connections are as follows:

OBDII Standard
--------------
Skt 1 = NC
Skt 2 = Bus+ (J1850)
Skt 3 = NC
Skt 4 = GND (chassis)
Skt 5 = GND (signal)
Skt 6 = CAN Hi (J-2284)
Skt 7 = K-Line (ISO9141-2)
Skt 8 = NC
Skt 9 = NC
Skt 10 = Bus (J1850)
Skt 11 = NC
Skt 12 = NC
Skt 13 = NC
Skt 14 = CAN Lo (J-2284)
Skt 15 = L-Line (ISO9141-2)
Skt 16 = +12V

The unswitched modified KKL/Adapter 1 (Green) would connect Pin 7 to 1, 7, 9, 12.

As you can see 1, 9, and 12 are not used as far as OBDII is concerned. What VW have done with 1, 9 and 12? pass. I would have thought though that it is unlikely VW would have overlook the possibility of damage due to crossed/link connection (except for power and ground connections).
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Re: VAG KKL cable connections

Post by sanscorp » 05 Jan 2017, 16:49

In the mean time I got my awnser. Got a new kkl cable and all is working, I can connect and reset the VW Golf. So no permanent damage has been done due to shorting pin 7 with the other ones used on Fiat/Alfa/Lancia.

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Re: VAG KKL cable connections

Post by Mamdouh » 10 Apr 2017, 17:47

Hi everyone
I could install the driver for the switchable kkl, the kkl can be seen in the control panel and Multiecuscan,
Also I can connect to the engine ECU
BUT I can't connect to the airbag,
Do my questions :
1- what is the correct serial port settings other than latency speed set to 1
To connect to Airbag
2- what is the use of the fourth switch xenon
3- is it possible to connect to the climate control ECU?

My info : Windows 7 64 bit
Fiat marea 2001- 1242cc -16 v

Thanks in advance

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